From: Ben517@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2001
1:05 PM
To: undisclosed-recipients:
Subject: Mail Call N0.
51
Hello
I have a couple issues to put forward in this
"Mail Call." Information about
our website and the Hanoi Jane story.
Let
us know if you have any questions about the website. I have asked Bob, my
son and technical expert, to explain a little about our site. There is no
cost to the 517th Association and never will be as long as we can maintain
the site ourselves. Some sites have professionals to maintain and manage
them, but we hope to be able to do it by ourselves. The beauty about the
Internet is that once you set up the basis for your site, you can link on to
all other sites and get all the information that are on these sites.
Therefore the information available is unlimited. Just go to "other links"
on
our site and you can spend days there getting information about the
Airborne.
As for the Hanoi Jane story, I would like to hear your comments.
No matter
what you call a duck it is still a duck and Jane Fonda will always
be a
traitor.
I have booked airfare to Bismarck. Boston to Denver to
Bismarck with United.
Senior fare roundtrip $300.
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Subj: Re: Website
Date: 1/11/2001 10:37:00 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: PRCT517
To: Ben517
In a message dated 1/11/01 1:14:09 PM
Eastern Standard Time, Ben517 writes:
> Could you send me mail explaining the
technical aspects of the site ?
> How much space are we given?
Using the current AOL site
("www.members.aol.com/prct517/"), I only get 2Mb
per user (2,000,000 bytes).
That's not much for a web site, but it is free.
It is plenty for
general notes, emails and text, but a few pictures can use
that all
up. Therefore, the site is really divided up into 4 "users":
PRCT517,
images517, images517a, and images517b. Each uses about 2 MB, for a
total of 8Mb of space used.
I could move everything onto another,
larger free space that I have on my
MediaOne site, but then it would have a
more weird name, such as
"http://people.ne.mediaone.net/r4b4/prct517/index.htm". So I'm not
going to
change it until I must.
I'm keeping my eyes open for other
free sites that I can use. There are many
available, but the free host
sites require you to place advertisements at the
top of the page. I
find that annoying, and it takes up too much of the space.
> How much
space do we have left?
I don't have much space left right now. Just enough
to add text messages and
guestbook entries. Any more pictures, and
I'll have to create a new AOL
user, "images517c". But that is not yet
a problem.
> What takes up space?
Every message and entry
takes up space, but text, such as the guestbook
entries, takes up very
little space. A typical email message is only about
2000 bytes
(2Kb). The entire guestbook, which now includes 86 entries, takes
up
44,000 bytes (44Kb). On the other hand, a single picture is about 50Kb
all, by itself. A large one can be 200Kb or more.
> Why no WWW?
That just the way AOL does it --
"http://members.aol.com/prct517/".
> Should we register the site and
what is the cost to do so?
> What are the advantages or disadvantages of
doing so?
If we register the site to an "official" domain name,
such as
"www.prct517.org", then it would have a nice simple name. The
only reason we
have not done that is the cost, about $75 per year. But
I would also have to
pay for a site location to hold all our files.
That typically costs about
$25 per month additional. Total would be
about $375 per year. Not much, but
I get it done for free now.
I would like to find a free location that would offer to host our site
-- a
company or maybe an army site. But we would still have to pay to
register
the name for $75 per year. So far, the army sites (Fort
Benning, Fort
Bragg), appear to be official military-owned locations, and
they probably
would not let an outsider get into their site to manage our
own web page
If anyone owns a company or knows one that is willing to
provide a host site,
I'd be glad to hear about it. We only need about
25 MB of space, which is
invisible to most companies. And the number
of people who access the site
(3000 hits per year) would also be
insignificant to any site.
> How long will the site remain on the Internet?
The site will remain on the Internet indefinitely, as
long as I have a
location to put it. I have to maintain it myself, but
that is not much work
and I'm willing to do that for many years. I
plan to live for another 30
years or so. Before I go, I'll find a
location to store the information
forever
Bob B
A Byte is
one character such one letter,number hyphen etc..
1000 Bytes is a
kilobyte- A page of double -spaced text is about 1000
bytes,known as 1
kilobyte 1K
One thousand kilobytes is a megabite 1,000,000 bytes
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Dot Lubic sent the
following information
This is what I found out from airlines. All major
airlines offer senior
coupon books for about $675........4 one-way tickets
or 2 roundtrip tickets.
Northwest is the major airline flying into
Bismarck. Regular airfare drops
almost in half if you stay over
Saturday night. For example, from the
Florida panhandle, Northwest
regular fare is $1118 for the reunion dates By
staying over Saturday
and returning home Sunday rather than Saturday, the
fare drops to
$456. Even with added day of hotel bill plus food, you still
come out
cheaper to stay the extra night.
All senior coupon books require you to
be 62 to purchase and require ID for
proof of age. I am giving you
prices quoted to me by Northwest, Delta,
United, and American for these
coupons. Prices may vary slightly. Most
books are good for 2
years from date of purchase but American Airlines said
theirs was for 1 year
only.
Feel free to post this in the next mail call if you like.
These prices are
current as of today, Jan. 11,2001. As with all
things, these prices could
change.
This is the latest news from the
FL panhandle........Dot Lubic
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In a message dated 1/11/2001 6:03:50 PM Eastern Standard
Time, ROYHERREN
writes:
Whats in a Joke???....}:o))
> Sometimes, we wonder why
friends keep forwarding jokes to us without
> writing a word, maybe
this could explain:
>
> When you are very busy, but still want
to keep in touch, guess what you
> do -- you forward jokes.
>
> When you have nothing to say, but still want to keep contact, you
forward
> jokes.
>
> When you have something to say, but
don't know what, and don't know how,
> You forward jokes.
>
> To let you know that: you are still remembered, you are still
important,
> you are still loved, you are still cared for, you are
still wanted, guess
> what you get? A forwarded joke from me.
>
> So my friend, next time if you get a joke, don't think that I have
sent
> you just a joke, but that I have thought of you today and wanted
to send
you
> a smile.
As explained previously,
I do not place jokes in "Mail Call", however I
appreciate receiving them
from Roy, Tom McAvoy and others Probably because of
the above.
Ben___________________________________________________
_
Subj: Re:
Fwd: Bismarck
Date: 1/12/2001 5:39:05 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: artann3447@juno.com (Tom mcavoy)
To:
Ben517@aol.com
Thanks Ben now my only
problem I am replacing my right knee this next
Monday, Hope
fully it will turn out as good as the left one did 4 years
ago. We
have to see how things go and if I am able to recover as
quickly
as I did 4 years ago. being 4 years older??? Tom McAvoy
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'Hanoi Jane' Rumors
Blend Fact and Fiction
Dateline: 11/03/99 By David
Emery Email rumors blending fact and fiction
about Jane Fonda's
activities as an anti-war protester during the 1970s have
reopened old
wounds for Vietnam veterans and inspired a new round of
recriminations for
things the actress did long ago, and things she never did.
The rumors (see
next
page)
center around Fonda's tour of North Vietnam in
1972, during which she cozied
up to the enemy, posing for photo ops with
communist troops and broadcasting
anti-American
propaganda over Radio Hanoi.
During the same trip she participated
in a staged press conference with
American POWs, the purpose of which was to
demonstrate that they were not
being mistreated by their captors. Years
later when the released POWs
described the torture and degradation they
really did suffer at the hands of
the North Vietnamese, Fonda called them
"hypocrites and liars." Those facts
are not under dispute. Fonda's behavior
at that time, considered treasonous
by some, earned her the nickname "Hanoi
Jane" among the veterans and POWs of
the Vietnam War, some of whom hate her
to this day. Since the '70s Fonda has
revamped her image several times over,
rededicating herself to her acting
career, becoming a fitness guru in the
early '80s, and marrying billionaire
Ted Turner in 1991. In 1988 she
delivered a televised apology to Vietnam
veterans and their families, a
gesture that didn't mollify everyone but
established some distance between
the new Fonda and old Fonda, whose actions,
she finally admitted, had been
"thoughtless and careless." As the '90s
progressed Fonda's past was less
frequently brought up as an issue and seemed
to dwindle in importance –
until this year, that is, when Barbara Walters
chose to honor the actress in
a TV special called "A Celebration: 100 Years
of Great Women." The
announcement of the program – which aired in April 1999
and did honor Jane
Fonda – prompted an instant outcry from veterans and
ex-POWs, many of whom
vented their indignation via the Internet. Angry
recriminations were posted
in newsgroups, published in newsletters and on Web
pages, and shared by
email. Apparently bits and pieces of these texts, along
with a few shameless
fabrications, were cobbled together by persons unknown
to create the "Hanoi
Jane" diatribe which still circulates today. Parts of it
are true and parts
of it are false.
Though we don't know
precisely when versions of the "Hanoi Jane" message
first began making the
rounds (presumably among veterans and military
personnel), they found their
way into general circulation in early September.
Each of the versions I've
seen exhibits slight variations in format and
wording, and in some cases
added comments and/or deletions. Jon E. Dougherty,
a columnist for
WorldNetDaily, saw fit to quote a version of the message
verbatim in his
September 15 column entitled "Not
saluting Jane Fonda."
Interestingly, Dougherty's piece, complete with his
own commentary, was
copied and distributed by readers and quickly
established itself as another
popular variant of the already-circulating
text. [Update: Mr. Dougherty
published a <A
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